05/02/2025
$TXT Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript Summary
The Q3 2023 Textron Earnings Release Call began with a welcome from the operator and an introduction from Eric Salander, Vice President of Investor Relations. The call discussed future estimates and expectations, and mentioned the risk factors involved. Revenues were up $265 million compared to the previous year's third quarter, and segment profit was up $60 million. Income from continuing operations was $1.35 per share, and adjusted income from continuing operations was $1.49 per share. Manufacturing cash flow before pension contributions totaled $205 million. Scott Donnelly, Textron's Chairman and CEO, reported that the third quarter was strong for the company, with increased revenues at Aviation, Industrial and Systems, and flat revenues at Bell. Aviation had a solid demand for their jet and turboprop products, resulting in their strongest order quarter of the year.
In the third quarter, Aviation announced a new fleet agreement with NetJets and received a special missions order for 17 King Air 360. They also announced upgrades for the Citation CJ3 Gen 2 and the Citation M2 Gen 2 at the NBAA show. Bell had flat revenues but improved margins, with higher military revenues and 23 helicopter deliveries. Textron Systems saw higher revenues and margins, and their Aerosan Hybrid Quad was awarded a contract for the Army's FTUAS program.
In the third quarter, Systems and Industrial segments saw increased revenues, while Textron Aviation's revenues were up $171 million due to higher volume, mix, and pricing. In the Systems segment, the company entered into a second option agreement with the Army and expanded its operations with the U.S. Navy. In the Industrial segment, higher revenues were driven by increased demand in the fleet gulf business and recovery in the North American auto market. In the eAviation segment, the company's Pipistrel Alpha Trainer gained momentum and the first prototype of their hybrid electric unmanned cargo vital aircraft is undergoing testing.
In the third quarter, Textron's segment profit increased by $29 million, with favorable pricing and higher volume and mix contributing to the increase. However, there was an unfavorable impact from performance, mainly due to supply chain and labor inefficiencies. The backlog for the segment ended the quarter at $7.4 billion. In the Bell segment, revenues remained flat, with lower commercial helicopter volume offset by higher military volume. Segment profit increased by $3 million due to lower research and development costs. The backlog for this segment was $5.2 billion. Textron Systems saw an increase in revenues and segment profit due to higher volume and favorable performance. Industrial revenues and segment profit also increased, while Textron eAviation and Finance segments saw losses and gains, respectively. Corporate expenses were $38 million.
The paragraph discusses the financial results and guidance for a company, specifically focusing on their net interest expense, LIFO inventory provision, intangible asset amortization, and non-service components of pension and postretirement income. They also mention their share repurchases and increased expected earnings per share for the full year. The company's Aviation division also saw strong pricing and an important contract extension with NetJets.
The speaker discusses how they treat NetJets in terms of backlog and how they commit to delivery dates for aircraft. They also mention the strong performance of Bell, particularly in terms of margins and R&D. The supply chain issues at Aviation have caused a significant performance hit.
Scott Donnelly discusses the trend data for the company and states that it is getting better, but there are still challenges with late parts and labor efficiency. Despite this, the company is still experiencing strong growth and margin expansion. He also mentions that they would like to deliver more aircraft, but overall, the business performance is strong. He does not provide a specific number for full year deliveries.
Scott Donnelly, CEO of Textron, discusses the demand environment in Aviation and the business jet market. He notes that the company has seen strong demand and a high book-to-bill ratio, with customers buying aircraft for both replacement and fleet expansion purposes. The company's decision to launch the Cessna SkyCourier program is a response to this demand. Despite a slight decrease in margins from the previous quarter, Donnelly remains optimistic about the company's performance.
The company expects strong margin performance for the Aviation division for the rest of the year and into next year, despite ongoing challenges with part delays and labor turnover. They anticipate high delivery numbers in the fourth quarter and solid growth and margins for 2023. The company initially expected a 1:1 book-to-bill ratio for the year, but it has exceeded expectations. However, they believe the industry will eventually need to return to a 1:1 ratio.
The sales teams are seeing strong customer demand and the company is adjusting production accordingly. The mix of products is diverse, with new aircraft and upgrade programs driving demand. The end market is stronger than expected, which is positive, but there are still supply chain delays causing delivery delays. The company is working to improve the situation, but missing even one part can prevent an aircraft from being delivered.
The company is working with suppliers to adjust production rates for the future, and expects increased deliveries in 2024 due to stronger demand and resolving supply chain issues. The increase in guidance is also attributed to strong performance across all segments, including higher margins at Bell and Systems, better volumes and margins in the Industrial segment, and strong profit growth in Aviation. The decrease in deliveries this quarter is mainly due to supply chain issues.
The company is delivering fewer aircraft than expected due to supply chain issues, and there may be more delays in the future. The CEO expects good growth in 2024, but the exact numbers will be incorporated into the 2024 guide. The company did not benefit from the latest IRS clarification on Section 174 and pension is not expected to be a significant headwind next year.
The speaker believes that the company should not have any issues with pensions in the future. They have recently announced new updates and have a strong demand for their products. They have invested in new programs such as the SkyCourier and Denali, and have also announced the Ascend, a mid-sized jet that will fill the shoes of the successful XLS model. The company is excited about these new developments and believes they will be successful.
The speaker, Scott Donnelly, addresses concerns about the economy and interest rates and their impact on the company's Aviation and Industrial divisions. He states that there have been no cancellations in aircraft orders and that demand is strong. He also mentions that the Kautex and Specialized Vehicles divisions have been seeing growth in North America and Europe. Donnelly expects this growth to continue in the future.
The company has reached a tentative agreement with Ford, which is a positive development. They are not yet seeing any significant impact from this agreement and hope to resolve it before it affects their business. The company serves a diverse group of OEMs, which helps mitigate any potential slowdowns. They are paying close attention to the high-end consumer market and adjusting accordingly. The golf and commercial markets are strong, and the consumer market is still performing well. The company's low leverage and strong cash flow position make them open to potential capital returns to shareholders or transformative deals, but their focus remains on share buybacks.
The company is always looking for acquisition opportunities, but they carefully consider whether it would benefit shareholders. They have decided not to enter the engine MRO business, as their focus is on their successful service business. The CEO also mentions that they work closely with engine suppliers and have seen growth in their direct service business.
The speaker is discussing the current demand for aircraft in the aviation industry and how it has changed due to the pandemic. They mention that customers used to be able to get new aircraft in a short period of time, but now they may have to wait 2 years or more. The speaker believes that the market is adjusting to this new reality and customers are starting to understand that they need to plan ahead for their fleet upgrades. However, some customers still want earlier delivery dates than what can be promised.
The CEO of an aircraft company is discussing the current market environment and the impact of supply chain issues on production rates. He mentions that customers need to plan for a couple of years and that this can be beneficial for the market. The analyst asks about the potential for increased production rates in the future and the CEO says that he is not sure, but there is still room for margin improvement in their industrial business.
The speaker discusses the strong demand in the vehicle business, but notes that some product lines are still recovering from the effects of COVID-19. They also mention challenges with suppliers and labor, leading to inefficiencies in factories. However, they believe there is potential for future margin growth. The next question is about the NetJets agreement and how it will factor in potential inflation. The speaker explains that the agreement takes market pricing into consideration and is not a fixed price deal.
The speaker discusses the company's strong performance in the Systems business and mentions specific programs that have contributed to growth, such as XM250 and the sentinel program. They express confidence in the future visibility of the business.
Textron's CEO, Scott Donnelly, discussed the company's recent down select in the RCV and ARV programs with the Army and the FUS program with the Marine Corps. He also mentioned that the business is performing well with strong margins and is back in a growth mode. There are several significant opportunities in the pipeline, and the business is executing well on existing programs. The company's Aviation services grew by 3% in the quarter, with aftermarket revenue accounting for 33% of total revenue. When asked about the Industrials business, Donnelly stated that it is providing good growth, strong performance improvements, and generating good cash, but did not define it as core or noncore.
The speaker discusses their company's approach to M&A activity, stating that they would likely focus on their Aerospace and Defense portfolio rather than increasing the size of their Industrial business. They also mention recent small deals to expand their services and the success of the Pivotal acquisition. They are agnostic in terms of direction for future M&A opportunities and will continue to keep an eye out for potential deals.
The company has the financial capacity to make a significant deal, but it must make sense financially. There is no minimum number of aircraft that the company is obligated to provide under the NetJets deal, as it depends on market conditions. The company expects the number of aircraft delivered to fluctuate based on the strength of the market. If the market remains strong, the company may reach the high end of the deal, but this would also lead to overall production output increasing.
During a conference call, David Strauss from Barclays asked about the progress of FLRAA and the impact on Bell's margins. CEO Scott Donnelly stated that they are not yet fully ramped to the target revenue rate of $800-900 million per year, but the ramp is going well. He also mentioned supply chain issues affecting both the commercial helicopter and aviation sides. Cai von Rumohr from TD Cowen asked about the demand for Bell and Commercial deliveries, which were down 50%, and what to expect in the fourth quarter.
During the Q&A portion of the conference call, an analyst asked about the company's original guidance and the potential impact on margins due to the FLRAA effort. CEO Scott Donnelly stated that the company expects margins to be above their original guidance, but there were some challenges in Q4 related to their 505 product. However, the miss on these units will not have a significant impact on overall performance at Bell. The call concluded with information on how to access the digitized replay of the call.
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