$CE Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript Summary

CE

Nov 07, 2023

The article introduces the Celanese Q3 2023 Earnings Call and Webcast and provides an overview of the participants on the call. It mentions the distribution of the third quarter earnings release and the discussion of non-GAAP financial measures. The CEO, Lori Ryerkerk, emphasizes the company's potential for significant earnings growth in the next few years and highlights projects in the Acetyl Chain that will strengthen their sustainable product offerings.

The article discusses the integration of the M&M acquisition in Engineering Materials, despite the challenging and uncertain demand backdrop. The company has seen three consecutive quarters of earnings growth and is on track to reduce net debt by $1 billion in 2023. The recent changes in leadership and manufacturing footprint are aimed at driving earnings growth and executing their deleveraging plan. The company remains committed to delivering on opportunities and is confident in their new leadership team. The call is now open for questions.

Lori Ryerkerk discusses the pricing situation in Engineered Materials and the company's confidence in weathering the current down cycle. She explains that while there has been pressure on pricing for standard grade materials, differentiated products have remained stable. The company plans to adjust its supply to match current demand and utilize lower cost assets. Ryerkerk also mentions the impact of consumer spending on demand and the company's optimism for a rebound in the future. She uses the auto industry as an example of a solid market in the current environment.

During the earnings call, the company discussed the performance of its Medical and Filter Tow segments. The CEO believes that the decline in demand for these products is temporary and a reflection of consumer preference. The CFO mentioned that they are expecting a $300-400 million improvement in earnings next year and will focus on increasing free cash flow. The analyst asked about the performance of Eastman's Filter Tow business, which has contributed $225 million in profits through the first nine months of the year. The CEO stated that they are treating Filter Tow as an end-to-end chain and are seeing similar impacts as other downstream derivatives.

The company is experiencing a reset of contract pricing, which was expected due to the way contracts are set up. They are still on track to exceed their $245 million sales target for the year. They are closing their German nylon facility, which represents 25% of their total capacity. The company has a history of shutting down facilities to adjust their cost basis and maintain profitability. The next question is from an analyst who asks about the company's future plans and the speaker responds by discussing their projections for 2024 and their approach to inventory management.

The speaker discusses the potential for no volume growth in the upcoming year and outlines various factors that could impact volume and inflation/deflation. They mention potential synergies, debt service, and inventory reduction, but note that the biggest factor will be the demand environment, which is currently uncertain and volatile. They express difficulty in predicting what could happen in 2024 due to the current unpredictable market conditions.

The speaker discusses the forecast for the auto industry, predicting moderate growth in all sectors. They also mention the strong performance of the medical sector and potential for moderate growth in the coming year. However, they express uncertainty about the timing and pace of this growth due to current volatility. The next question asks about the potential for a spread benefit from lower cost inventory, and the speaker responds that even at current pricing levels, there will be some impact, but the magnitude will depend on raw materials and future pricing.

The speaker is responding to a question about the impact of pricing on the company's performance. They mention that if pricing remains the same, their statement about it being the biggest bridge item would still be true. The next question is about the third quarter performance and the speaker explains that the positive influence from higher pricing in Asia offset the impact of contract pricing reductions and turnarounds. However, in the fourth quarter, they have seen a drop in pricing and will only see a small benefit in the Western Hemisphere.

The paragraph discusses the potential impact of pricing in the Western Hemisphere and the tax rate for the coming year. It also addresses the question of whether the company will retain some of the price increases from 2021 in the future. The response suggests that while volumes are returning to pre-2021 levels, pricing for differentiated grades may still be affected by low demand and supply. However, the company believes they can hold the current price levels with structural changes.

The company expects to see a decrease in earnings volatility once demand returns to normal levels and the Engineered Materials and acetyls businesses balance out in terms of size. The Clear Lake asset expansion is expected to ramp up in the first quarter, and the company has ceased production at certain facilities in Brazil, Argentina, and Germany, with some being temporary and others being permanent shutdowns. Temporary actions are being taken to adjust to current demand levels.

In the paragraph, Lori Ryerkerk and Scott Richardson discuss the structural changes and cost-cutting measures that have been announced by the company. They also mention that there was a lower-than-expected synergy-related benefit in the third quarter, but they anticipate an increase in the fourth quarter and throughout 2024. They also mention the possibility of maximizing make versus buy flexibility and optimizing the EM side of the portfolio. They also note that there is currently a significant amount of idling and permanent shuttering happening within the company.

Lori Ryerkerk, CEO of Celanese, discusses the company's focus on building flexibility across all products, including sourcing, contract commitments, and multi-sourcing. This has been a consistent theme in Celanese and will continue in the future. While they may consider make versus buy flexibility for PA66 during this low demand period, they do not anticipate any significant Greenfield builds in the near future. Instead, they will focus on optimizing their current footprint and taking advantage of opportunities for low-cost debottlenecks. Visibility is currently low for the company.

The speaker discusses the unprecedented destock and potential restocking in the near future. They mention that the current destock has been ongoing for a long time and the potential restock could be a few percent, but the timing is uncertain. They also mention that the $150 million improvement in M&Ms synergies may depend on volume improvement, and they are committed to delivering it this year. They also mention that the company is accelerating some manufacturing footprint work to better align current demand with supply.

Lori Ryerkerk, CEO of a polymer company, discusses the industry's response to decreased demand for nylon Polymer. She mentions that the industry has seen a lot of activity, particularly in the PA66 chain, with increased competition and depressed pricing. She also notes that some companies are taking this opportunity to shut down high-cost assets. When asked about destocking, Ryerkerk expresses confidence that the destocking trend will end in the Americas and Asia in the fourth quarter, based on conversations with customers and buying patterns in the U.S.

The speaker discusses the company's visibility into future purchasing and notes that customers in the Americas want to buy immediately, suggesting they are fully destocked. In the U.S., there is some recovery in weak areas like consumer durables and electronics, but in China, export volumes are still weak. In Europe, there is no improvement outside of the auto industry due to low consumer confidence. The speaker also mentions that 2024 is expected to be better than 2023 due to onetime cost actions and plant turnarounds.

The speaker discusses the company's actions to cut costs and idle lines in response to lower demand. They state that these actions will continue to benefit the company next year, but if demand picks up, they will be willing to spend money to capture increased margins. The focus is now on making more permanent cost reductions and lowering the fixed cost base of the company. The speaker also addresses a question about the company's EBITDA and confirms that volume is the main driver that could push them above the estimated range.

The company is uncertain about demand and pricing in the future, but hopes to give better guidance next quarter. Their focus is on reducing debt and bringing down leverage levels, with a target of reaching three times as quickly as possible. They plan to do this through cash generation and repatriation, and do not currently have plans to refinance. The company is also working on improving productivity in their Acetyls business by shrinking capacity, but this may not lead to significant demand growth in the next few years.

Lori Ryerkerk explains that the company has already optimized and rationalized its facilities in the Acetyls and Heritage EM portfolios, resulting in higher volumes and margins. They are now applying the same mindset to the M&M portfolio. There is no need for Greenfield projects in the near to medium future, as the company has sufficient capacity and a team dedicated to finding low and no cost debottlenecks to add additional capacity. In response to a question about the shutdowns in Engineered Materials, Ryerkerk mentions that they are a significant contributor to the $150 million in expected synergies.

The speaker explains that the actions taken by the company after acquiring assets were in response to market conditions and to fine-tune their footprint for increased synergy and lower costs. They have identified overcapacity and have taken temporary and permanent actions to address it. The Q4 guidance and assessments are impacted by demand destruction and stock instability.

The speaker, Lori Ryerkerk, explains that their company's outlook for the fourth quarter differs from other chemical companies due to their reliance on the automotive industry and customer order patterns. She also mentions that the company will use its cash flow to handle debt repayments, with a current cash balance of $1.3 billion. Once they integrate onto one system in the early part of next year, they expect to have a minimum cash balance of $500 million.

The company is confident in reaching a $500 million level in 2024 and is working towards reducing leverage. They are taking aggressive actions to improve controllable earnings and are also focusing on revenue synergy and bringing M&M into their project pipeline model. They will continue to be opportunistic and disciplined in their approach to divestment, considering both heritage Celanese and M&M assets.

Lori Ryerkerk, CEO of Celanese, discusses the company's approach to pursuing opportunities and ensuring long-term growth. She also mentions their Eco CC brand and the potential for premiums on products containing recycled CO2. Ryerkerk explains that the project was initially justified on cost savings, but now there is potential for additional value from the demand for more sustainable products. The company plans to use the methanol to create lower carbon downstream derivatives, such as acetic acid and polymers, which could command a premium due to their low carbon footprint. Jaideep Pandya from On Field Research asks a question about the nylon chain.

The speaker is responding to a question about the impact of upstream capacity in Asia on their nylon portfolio. They remain optimistic about the potential for PA66 in the market, especially in the electric vehicle industry. They also see a strong demand for PA66 in building electrical infrastructure. These applications require highly differentiated products, and the company does not see a need to shift towards being more downstream asset-light. They are also not concerned about the upcoming capacity in the Acetyl market, as they believe there will still be a strong demand for their products.

The speaker discusses the value added through compounding and the importance of flexibility in the market. They also mention the closure of a VAM unit and the impact of a prolonged divestment process on the Engineered Materials market. They thank the listeners for joining the call.

The speaker concludes the call by reminding participants that they are available for any further questions. They then ask for Kevin to officially end the call. The operator thanks everyone for participating and ends the call.

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