$PNC Q3 2024 AI-Generated Earnings Call Transcript Summary

PNC

Oct 15, 2024

The paragraph is an introduction to The PNC Financial Services Group's Q3 2024 Earnings Conference Call. Bryan Gill, the Director of Investor Relations, introduces the call participants, including PNC's Chairman and CEO, Bill Demchak, and CFO, Rob Reilly. Gill notes that the presentation includes forward-looking statements. Bill Demchak then provides an overview of PNC's strong third-quarter performance, highlighting a $1.5 billion net income, $3.49 diluted earnings per share, and positive operating leverage for the third consecutive quarter. He mentions a 3% growth in net interest income (NII), with expectations for a record NII in 2025.

The paragraph highlights the company's strong performance and strategic positioning. It notes a 10% increase in fee income and robust capital markets activity while maintaining expense discipline. The company sees strong growth across its franchise, with CNIB experiencing increased loan production and commitments. Despite soft loan utilization, potential Fed interest rate cuts may boost demand. Retail investments are enhancing growth, especially in the Southwest, and AMG benefits from favorable equity markets. Credit quality remains stable, with adequate reserves for expected charge-offs in the CRE office segment. Capital levels improved, with tangible book value per share rising 9%. The company is optimistic about organic growth opportunities as part of its strategic planning. The paragraph concludes with gratitude for employees and transitions to Rob for further financial details.

The balance sheet, presented on an average linked quarter basis, shows stable loans at $320 billion, a slight increase in investment securities, and a notable rise in cash balances at the Federal Reserve. Deposit balances grew to $422 billion, while borrowed funds decreased due to matured FHLB advances. AOCI improved significantly, and the tangible book value per common share rose by 9% from the previous quarter. The CET1 ratio increased to 10.3%, indicating strong capitalization. Despite potential changes in Basel III regulations, the company remains well positioned with capital flexibility, having returned $800 million to shareholders. Loan details reveal stable average balances of $320 billion and a slight increase in loan yield. Commercial loans remained stable, with expectations for future demand growth as loan commitments rise.

The paragraph discusses the financial performance and strategy concerning consumer loans, investment securities, and swaps for a specific period. Consumer loans remained stable at $101 billion, with growth in auto loans offset by a decline in residential real estate balances. Investment securities saw a slight increase, with yields improving due to higher rates and strategic repositioning. The securities portfolio's duration was 3.3 years, and active fixed-rate swaps were $33 billion, with forward starting swaps at $15 billion locked in at favorable rates. The accumulated other comprehensive income improved significantly due to lower rates. Considerable runoff of lower-yielding securities and swaps is expected, allowing reinvestment into higher-yielding assets, enhancing future tangible book value. Additionally, average deposits grew by $5 billion due to increased interest-bearing commercial balances and higher-time deposits.

In the third quarter, the company's non-interest-bearing deposits remained stable, while the rate paid on interest-bearing deposits rose slightly. The company anticipates further rate cuts by the Federal Reserve, which could accelerate deposit repricing. Net income reached $1.5 billion, or $3.49 per share, with total revenue increasing by $21 million to $5.4 billion. Net interest income and net interest margin both saw growth, while fee income rose 10%. Despite a decrease in non-interest expenses, the company achieved positive operating leverage for the third consecutive quarter. Revenue growth was driven by higher fee and net interest income, while other non-interest income was negatively impacted by visa-related activity. The effective tax rate was 19.2%.

The article discusses the company's financial performance, highlighting a $19 million or 5% growth in asset management and brokerage income due to favorable market conditions. Capital markets and advisory fees rose by approximately $100 million, or 36%, driven by increased M&A activity. Card and cash management income decreased by $8 million, while lending and deposit revenue increased by $16 million. Mortgage revenue saw a $50 million increase due to a rise in the valuation of net mortgage servicing rights. Despite a negative $128 million adjustment related to Visa derivatives, overall non-interest income grew by $400 million or 7% year-to-date. Non-interest expenses declined by $30 million or 1%, with notable increases in personnel expenses offset by reductions elsewhere. The company remains committed to continuous improvement, increasing its CIP goal to $450 million, which it aims to achieve in 2024.

The paragraph discusses the company's financial position and credit metrics, focusing on an increase in non-performing loans, particularly in the CRE office loan sector. Non-performing loans rose by $75 million or 3% compared to the previous quarter. Total delinquencies remained stable at $1.3 billion, while net loan charge-offs increased by $24 million due to decreased commercial recoveries. The allowance for credit losses stood at $5.3 billion, maintaining stability from the previous quarter. The CRE office portfolio faces ongoing stress due to weak demand, which has pushed some criticized loans to non-performing status, though net charge-offs have slightly decreased. The company anticipates future charge-offs in this portfolio. As of September 30, reserves on the office and multi-tenant portfolios slightly increased, reflecting valuation adjustments and specific loan reserves. CRE office balances decreased by 4%, or $270 million, as efforts to reduce exposure continue, and the company believes its reserves are sufficient.

The paragraph discusses PNC's financial outlook and expectations. PNC reported a solid third quarter and expects continued economic growth with approximately 2% real GDP growth in 2024 and unemployment slightly above 4% through the year-end. The Federal Reserve is anticipated to cut rates twice in 2024, with 25 basis point decreases in November and December. For the fourth quarter of 2024, compared to the third quarter, PNC expects stable average loans, a 1% increase in net interest income, and a 5% to 7% decline in fee income. Total revenue is expected to remain stable, with non-interest expenses up 2% to 3%, and net charge-offs around $300 million. PNC aims to achieve positive operating leverage for the full year. The paragraph concludes with an introduction to a question-and-answer session, where Erika Najarian from UBS asks about the increase in PNC's received fixed rate on active swaps.

In the paragraph, Rob Reilly discusses the repricing of fixed-rate assets like securities, loans, and swaps at higher rates than before, emphasizing the positive impact on net interest income (NII) projected to reach a record level in 2025. Erika Najarian inquires about the natural deposit costs for PNC as interest rates stabilize, particularly the spread between Fed funds and funding costs. Bill Demchak, while unable to provide a specific answer, suggests analyzing deposit costs and acknowledges the importance of zero-cost deposits in this context. The conversation also touches on recent deposit strength primarily influenced by corporate balances amid market uncertainty.

The paragraph discusses the impact of the interest rate environment on banks, highlighting that a steep yield curve with higher back rates is advantageous for fixed-rate assets. Rob Reilly notes strong performance on the commercial interest-bearing deposit side as clients build cash reserves, expecting this trend to continue through the year. John Pancari inquires about loan demand and the factors that could encourage borrowers to increase borrowing, such as potential rate cuts or election outcomes. Rob Reilly acknowledges the lack of expected loan growth due to low utilization and a pause in borrowing activities amid the current economic and political climate. However, he mentions the positive development of adding new customers and loan commitments in anticipation of future borrowing needs.

In the paragraph, Rob Reilly discusses the outlook for capital markets and fees in the fourth quarter. He notes that a decline of 5% to 7% is expected due to high levels of Mortgage Servicing Rights (MSR) and capital markets activities in the third quarter. Some fourth-quarter activity was pulled into the third quarter, particularly in the Harris Williams M&A advisory business, which performed strongly. Although the activity may not be consistent quarter-to-quarter, the momentum remains strong, with capital markets up 23% year-over-year and guidance indicating a 20% increase in the latter half of 2024. Following this explanation, questions are opened to Scott Siefers from Piper Sandler regarding lending and deposit discussions.

The paragraph discusses the uncertainty surrounding the recovery of loan growth and how it may impact the banking industry. Bill Demchak mentions that while there are multiple theories about why loan growth hasn't matched GDP growth, uncertainty around factors such as the election and interest rates complicates predictions. Despite these uncertainties, Demchak emphasizes that his company plans to deliver shareholder growth without relying on potential loan growth. Regarding deposit costs and competition, he mentions the bank's strong liquidity position, which provides opportunities if loan growth returns. The conversation transitions to a question from Matt O'Connor of Deutsche Bank about the normalization of net interest margin.

The paragraph is a discussion between Rob Reilly, Matt O'Connor, and Bill Demchak about the outlook and strategy for their company's Net Interest Margin (NIM) and consumer lending. Rob Reilly mentions that their NIM is increasing and approaching 3%, but does not provide a specific timeline for reaching that level. Bill Demchak highlights that the company has historically under-invested in consumer lending and is under-penetrated with existing clients compared to peers. They see this as an opportunity for growth and are investing in consumer lending initiatives, such as introducing new credit cards, to improve penetration and align with competitors. Matt O'Connor inquires about when the impact of these efforts might be realized.

In the paragraph, Bill Demchak and Rob Reilly discuss their company's investment in credit management, marketing, and product delivery to improve credit card volume growth and market penetration, without specifying a timeline for these efforts. They also address loan growth, noting success in capturing market share within commercial and industrial (C&I) lending, and express optimism about outperforming competitors as loan utilization returns. Additionally, they highlight strong growth in their Southwest markets. Bill Carcache from Wolfe Research inquires further, and it is mentioned that there is an expectation for interest rates on non-interest-bearing deposits to decline starting next quarter.

In the paragraph, Rob Reilly is uncertain about how quickly lower rates will impact compensating balances, noting some stabilization after a period of decline. Bill Carcache questions whether credit on compensating balances could help grow non-interest bearing deposits, but Rob Reilly explains that the crediting rate is below market and won't rapidly adjust to rate changes. Carcache inquires about the potential for an efficiency ratio improvement if the 2025 net interest income (NII) projections occur as expected. Reilly indicates they'll have more insights during their January call. Then, Mike Mayo from Wells Fargo asks if there's any change in confidence regarding record NII expectations for 2025.

The conversation revolves around expectations for loan growth and its impact on financial targets. Bill Demchak and Rob Reilly express confidence that achieving record net interest income (NII) levels is not dependent on loan growth. They acknowledge some loan growth but emphasize it's not crucial for their financial projections. Mike Mayo questions why loan growth remains weak despite economic growth and suggests potential reasons, including elections, private credit, disintermediation, company management changes, or a weaker economy. Demchak attributes the weak loan growth to changes in how companies manage working capital post-COVID, dismissing private credit and capital market disintermediation as major factors. Lastly, the discussion touches on increased reserves for office commercial real estate, particularly multi-tenant properties, indicating the industry may still be in early stages of addressing related challenges.

In the paragraph, Bill Demchak discusses the current state of the office real estate market, noting that the industry is still in the early stages of dealing with challenges such as high office vacancies and the maturation of term loans. He explains that although PNC is well-reserved for these issues, the resolution of property values will take time. Rob Reilly refines this by emphasizing that it's still early in the process. Mike Mayo then inquires about potential acquisitions, to which Bill Demchak responds that, given the current market conditions and stock recoveries, there is no perceived value in pursuing acquisitions at this time.

In the paragraph, Ebrahim Poonawala from Bank of America asks about the impact of recent interest rate cuts on deposit pricing, particularly how banks can adjust deposit costs lower and customers' reactions, especially commercial customers. Rob Reilly explains that they are in a down beta cycle, with expectations of a terminal beta of about 50%. They're currently reducing rates on higher interest-bearing commercial and wealth deposits and expect this trend to continue through 2024. Poonawala then inquires about the health of commercial clients and the potential impact of paused rate cuts on their investment and hiring decisions. Bill Demchak responds, noting that while it may vary by industry, companies are generally experiencing margin compression.

The paragraph discusses the current economic situation, emphasizing that despite some margin pressure on corporations, there is no significant indication of widespread layoffs in the U.S. economy. Specific industries like transportation and healthcare are experiencing slumps, but these are marginal. Bill Demchak addresses mergers and acquisitions (M&A), stating that although their bank's stock performs well, potential deals are not attractive due to financial constraints and required investments. The market conditions do not seem conducive to finding appealing acquisition targets without overpaying.

In this paragraph, Betsy Graseck from Morgan Stanley asks about the prospects for organic growth in the current market environment, expressing skepticism about mergers and acquisitions. Bill Demchak responds by highlighting that there is potential for accelerating organic growth, particularly in Commercial and Industrial (C&I) segments, as the company invests in expanding its retail distribution through targeted branch developments in high-volume markets. He notes that the lower interest rate environment has made it easier to achieve break-even on branches, reinforcing the continued focus on investment and organic growth. Rob Reilly adds that there is strong momentum, especially in the Southwest markets, across various business segments. Following Betsy, Gerard Cassidy from RBC Capital Markets commends the company's credit management performance.

In the discussion about the C&I portfolio, Bill Demchak and Rob Reilly describe the current state as stable, with more downgrades than upgrades, mainly due to margin compression rather than any fundamental issues. They note that while there may be occasional one-off problems, overall the portfolio is strong, with acceptable credit quality. Gerard Cassidy asks whether companies learned to manage better post-pandemic, and Demchak agrees, suggesting that the shift in working capital costs has prompted companies to improve margin efficiency, inventory, and investment management. Overall, they believe the economy and companies are healthy, with strong labor conditions.

In this paragraph, there is a discussion between Gerard Cassidy and Bill Demchak about the impact of changing cap rates on the commercial real estate office portfolio. Demchak explains that while lower cap rates can be beneficial, the primary concern is occupancy rates. If office buildings remain significantly vacant, their value may become negligible regardless of cap rates. However, if a building can be restored to near-normal occupancy, its value as a functioning entity remains significant. The conversation concludes with closing remarks from Bryan Gill and Rob Reilly, indicating the end of the session.

The paragraph instructs individuals to disconnect their lines and wishes them a good day.

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