The paragraph is an introduction to the Wells Fargo Fourth Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. It begins with the operator explaining the call procedures and recording details, before handing over to John Campbell, the Director of Investor Relations. Campbell provides an overview of available earnings materials and a caution about forward-looking statements, referencing the company's SEC filings for more information. He then introduces CEO Charlie Scharf, who starts by addressing the impact of the Los Angeles wildfires, expressing sympathy and commitment to aid affected communities. Scharf also acknowledges the efforts of Wells Fargo employees and transitions to discussing the company's performance and priorities.

The paragraph highlights Wells Fargo's strong performance and significant progress over the past year. The company improved its earnings profile, increased net income, and grew diluted earnings per share by 11% compared to the previous year. Despite selling or scaling back some businesses, Wells Fargo invested in others to diversify revenues and reduce reliance on net interest income. Notably, fee-based revenue grew by 15%, offsetting the decline in net interest income. The company maintained expense discipline, with expenses declining due to efficiency initiatives and lower FDIC and severance costs. Credit performance remained stable, though average loans declined due to weak demand and credit tightening.

The paragraph highlights Wells Fargo's financial and strategic achievements. Average deposits have increased, allowing for a reduction in higher-cost CDs, and the company has been returning excess capital by reducing outstanding shares by 21% since 2019. In 2023, they increased the dividend per share by 15% and repurchased $20 billion in stock, marking a 64% increase from the previous year. The bank has made significant progress in risk management and compliance, closing several consent orders, and improving its operational risk infrastructure. Strategic priorities include enhancing their credit card platform, launching 11 new cards since 2021, and seeing strong adoption with over 2.4 million new credit card accounts opened in 2024. Credit card spending also increased by $17 billion from the previous year.

The paragraph discusses various strategic initiatives and achievements of the company's auto, home lending, and banking businesses. The company has secured a multiyear agreement to serve as the preferred finance provider for Volkswagen and Audi in the U.S. and has restructured its home lending division, resulting in increased profitability. Growth is noted in consumer and business banking, with significant increases in net checking accounts and debit card transactions. Branch refurbishments and mobile app enhancements have been made to improve customer experience, leading to increased mobile and digital transactions, including a rise in Zelle usage. Additionally, the company introduced Wells Fargo Premier to better serve affluent clients, expanding both its number of premier bankers and financial advisers.

The company has improved its customer relationship management capabilities, resulting in $23 billion in net asset inflows into its Wealth and Investment Management Premier channel, with deposit and investment balances for Premier clients increasing by 10%. In its commercial bank, the company is expanding its team in growth markets to boost client acquisition and revenue, planning more hires in 2025. A partnership with Centerbridge Partners and the introduction of overland advisers aims to enhance services for commercial bank customers. The firm is focusing its investment banking services on commercial banking clients, seeing a 150 basis point increase in market share in 2024, and is supporting client M&A activity for additional revenue. Investments in talent and technology have led to more than 75 new hires since 2019, with increased U.S. market share across credit trading, commodities, and equity businesses.

The paragraph discusses the company's progress in 2024, highlighting growth in its FX business, increased U.S. market share in investment banking, and anticipated success in 2025 with a strong pipeline in Capital Markets and Advisory. The company is optimizing its portfolio by exiting non-strategic businesses and has sold a segment of its commercial mortgage servicing business. The U.S. economy is performing well, with low inflation and unemployment, and the business-friendly stance of the incoming administration is expected to be beneficial. The speaker expresses confidence and enthusiasm for future opportunities to increase returns, acknowledging past achievements and the hard work of employees.

In the fourth quarter, the company reported a net income of $5.1 billion or $1.43 per diluted share, driven by strong underlying business performance, increased fee and net interest income, and the benefits from previous investments. These results included discrete tax benefits and expenses like severance and net losses from a debt securities sale as part of an investment portfolio repositioning. This repositioning involved the sale of $8 million in securities and reinvestment into higher-yielding options with a payback period of about 2.5 years. Net interest income grew by $146 million from the third quarter due to higher customer deposit balances, which helped reduce costly market funding. Loan balances were mixed, with growth in commercial, industrial, and credit card loans. Meanwhile, average deposits increased, leading to lower deposit costs as higher-cost corporate treasury deposits were reduced.

In response to Federal Reserve rate cuts, the company has lowered pricing for commercial clients and promotional deposit offers, resulting in reduced deposit costs and stabilized consumer deposit balances. Noninterest income grew by 11% year-over-year due to investments and favorable market conditions, with diversified growth across all operating segments. Noninterest expenses decreased by 12% mainly due to a lower FDIC special assessment, although this was counterbalanced by higher expenses in revenue-related compensation and technology. Credit quality remained stable, with commercial and consumer net loan charge-offs increasing, particularly in commercial real estate and credit card portfolios, aligning with expectations.

In the fourth quarter, nonperforming assets decreased by 5%, largely due to a $390 million reduction in commercial real estate office nonaccrual loans. The allowance for credit losses dropped by $103 million, with modest declines in most asset classes, although credit card loans saw an increase due to higher loan balances. The allowance coverage for loans has remained stable over five quarters, but coverage for corporate and investment banking and commercial real estate office portfolios rose by 12%. The company's capital position is robust, with a CET1 ratio of 11.1% exceeding the regulatory necessity of 9.8%. Stock repurchases amounted to $4 million in the fourth quarter, totaling $20 million for the year, reducing common shares by 9% from the previous year. Consumer Banking saw a 7% revenue decline due to lower net interest income as customers moved to higher-yield products, yet home lending and credit card revenues grew by 2% and 3%, respectively. New products launched in the past 3.5 years are performing well, with expected credit performance and growth in accounts and usage.

The article outlines financial performance, emphasizing a 21% drop in auto revenue and a decline in personal lending revenue, both due to reduced loan balances and loan spread compression. Retail mortgage originations, however, rose by 31%, and there was an increase in debit and credit card spending. In Commercial Banking, there was a 2% dip in Middle Market Banking revenue due to higher deposit costs but with some offset from treasury management fees. Asset-based lending and leasing revenue fell 12% because of decreased net interest and lease income, despite gains from equity investments. Loan demand remained cautious despite client optimism. In Corporate and Investment Banking, revenue dropped 4%, influenced by higher deposit costs and lower loan balances, partially mitigated by gains in investment banking activities and advisory fees.

The paragraph discusses a decrease in commercial real estate revenue by 1% due to lower loan balances, though partially offset by increased capital markets revenue. Markets revenue dropped by 5%, mainly due to weaker performance in equities and municipals. A change in derivatives valuation led to an $85 million loss, and seasonal lower trading activity contributed to the decline. Average loans fell by 6%, driven by reductions in the commercial real estate portfolio, particularly offices. Wealth and Investment Management (WIM) revenue increased by 8% owing to higher asset-based fees from improved market valuations. Average deposits grew by 16% and loans by 2% due to product enhancements and reduced migration to cash alternatives. Corporate revenue rose, aided by better venture capital investment results.

The paragraph discusses the company's financial performance and outlook. After experiencing investment impairments in previous years, the company achieved net gains every quarter in 2024, with better performance in the latter half of the year. They improved their return on tangible common equity (ROTCE) from 8% in 2020 to 13.4% in 2024 through efficiency initiatives and revenue diversification. The company aims for a sustainable ROTCE of 15%. For 2025, they anticipate net interest income to increase by 1% to 3% compared to 2024 and 3% to 5% compared to the annualized fourth quarter of 2024, with stability in the first half and more growth expected in the second half of the year.

The paragraph outlines expectations and assumptions for financial performance in 2025, influenced by predicted Federal Reserve rate cuts and a modestly asset-sensitive position, potentially creating a slight headwind for net interest income. It anticipates modest growth in average loans and deposits, driven by the Corporate Investment Bank and various portfolios, allowing for reduced reliance on high-cost market funding. The reinvestment of securities into higher-yield assets and anticipated improvements in trading-related net interest income will occur, despite projected decreases in noninterest income. The amount of net interest income in 2025 will depend on several uncertain factors like interest rates and loan demand. For 2025, the company forecasts noninterest expenses of $54.6 billion from 2024, factoring in lower operating losses than the previous year.

In 2025, the company anticipates a $500 million reduction in severance expenses due to actions taken in 2024, while Wealth and Investment Management expenses are expected to rise by $600 million, offset by higher noninterest income. Overall, expenses are projected to increase by $200 million, with efficiency initiatives yielding $2.4 billion in gross reductions. Key investments include $900 million in technology, $900 million in other areas, and an $800 million rise in other expenses, related to merit-based compensation. Personnel expenses will be seasonally higher in the first quarter, estimated at $650 million to $700 million.

The paragraph outlines the company's plans and focus areas for investments to enhance customer service and drive growth, projecting a 2025 noninterest expense of approximately $54.2 billion. Key priorities include strengthening risk and control infrastructure, advancing technology and digital platforms, upgrading lending capabilities, and expanding consumer and commercial services. The company aims to scale marketing, modernize branches, increase financial advisers, and enhance digital offerings like mobile account opening and Zelle. Additionally, the company plans to hire in investment banking and capital markets, along with relationship bankers in commercial banking, while also highlighting strong 2024 financial performance with increased revenue, reduced expenses, and strong capital returns.

In the paragraph, Mike Santomassimo discusses the company's expectations for deposits and net interest income (NII). He notes that there has been a stabilization in the migration from noninterest-bearing to interest-bearing accounts, which is expected to continue. There is an anticipation of growth in consumer deposits, with minimal changes in pricing for interest-bearing products on the consumer side, despite some promotional rate adjustments. Overall, there is an expectation of deposit growth without significant pricing pressure. John McDonald from Truist Securities asks for clarification on these assumptions in the company's outlook, and Mike Santomassimo provides details on these trends and expectations.

The paragraph discusses the current state and future outlook of credit card profitability for a company. Mike Santomassimo notes that although the company launched new credit card products approximately 3.5 years ago and is beginning to see the earliest batches become profitable, the overall profitability has not yet significantly impacted the company's profit and loss statements. However, it is expected to do so in the coming years. Charlie Scharf adds that, in addition to credit cards, improving profitability in home lending remains a focus as the company continues to wind down its servicing book. Both areas are expected to contribute to future profitability improvements.

In this paragraph, Ebrahim Poonawala from Bank of America asks about the impact of the lifting of the OCC sales practices consent order on the bank's return on equity (ROE) trajectory. Mike Santomassimo responds by explaining that after the lifting of the consent order, the bank has been able to implement a standardized incentive framework across branches, which had been restricted before. This framework, previously tested in a pilot phase, has shown improved performance in areas such as new checking accounts and credit card accounts. The full rollout began in 2024, with expected meaningful results to appear in the near to medium term. Charlie Scharf indicates he might add further details.

The paragraph discusses the importance of fulfilling obligations under a consent order and establishing a robust control environment within a system. It highlights the implementation of various management mechanisms, including compensation, reporting, and management routines, to build confidence in risk management. The speaker emphasizes that while no individual change is significant, the combination of these elements creates a tightly controlled framework to attract and manage customers safely. Additionally, it mentions confidence in achieving desired results and touches on expense investment priorities and efforts to improve efficiency, referencing a severance charge in the fourth quarter.

The paragraph features a discussion between Ebrahim and Mike Santomassimo regarding the potential for continued cost-cutting and efficiency improvements within the company, despite previous efforts to address low-hanging fruit. Mike Santomassimo expresses confidence that there are still significant opportunities to drive efficiency through better technology and automation, which can save money and improve client experiences. He likens this process to peeling an onion, where new efficiencies can be found with each new layer. The conversation then shifts to another speaker, John Pancari, who asks about the outlook for Net Interest Income (NII) and loan growth expectations for 2025, seeking details on expected growth relative to GDP and potential runoff balances. Mike begins to respond, focusing first on the loan side.

The paragraph discusses expectations for loan growth in the coming year, predicting low to mid-single-digit growth in various loan categories, influenced by the overall economic environment. Mortgage activity may decline due to rising rates, but some growth is expected in credit card and auto loans. On the commercial side, growth is anticipated from new accounts and markets business expansion, with more noticeable growth expected in the latter half of the year. Regarding capital, despite a solid CET1 ratio and recent buybacks, future buyback activity will depend on organic growth opportunities and the existing asset cap.

The paragraph discusses Wells Fargo's financial strategy, focusing on risks, buybacks, capital return to shareholders, and the company's capital situation relative to its Common Equity Tier 1 (CET1) percentage. Erika Najarian from UBS questions the company's leadership, namely Charlie Scharf and Mike, about their medium-term Return on Equity (ROE) target of 15%, given the company's achievements in 2024, including a 13.5% ROE and areas for profitability improvement like Card and Home Lending. She highlights Wells Fargo's excess capital and its efforts in Corporate and Investment Banking (CIB) to utilize the balance sheet for increased fee generation. Najarian seeks to understand what the true potential return of Wells Fargo's business is, beyond its remediation efforts. Charlie Scharf begins to respond to her inquiry.

The paragraph is part of a financial discussion where a speaker discusses how their company evaluates its business performance by comparing it to industry leaders in terms of returns and growth. The speaker mentions that apart from home lending and auto businesses, they expect their businesses to grow at industry-leading rates while maintaining strong returns. They emphasize the importance of considering the business mix and size when making comparisons. The company aims to reach a 15% performance target and is close to achieving it, but acknowledges existing constraints. They plan to address future targets after reaching the 15%. Following this, Betsy Graseck from Morgan Stanley asks about the final steps towards achieving the 15% goal, questioning whether it will be driven by revenue growth in high-return businesses or by reducing expenses. Mike Santomassimo responds to her inquiry.

The paragraph discusses the company's financial outlook, highlighting multiple strategies to achieve a 15% return target. It references progress in the credit card and home lending businesses, alongside growth in investment banking, capital markets, and wealth management. The CEO, Charlie Scharf, mentions expense and revenue expectations for the next year, emphasizing careful management of risks and operations to maintain progress. The overall sentiment is optimistic, but with caution to ensure necessary spending on risk management.

The paragraph discusses the company's strategic approach to maintaining flexibility in investment decisions. They avoid providing multiyear expense guidance due to ongoing opportunities for strategic investments, particularly in technology, despite inflationary costs. The focus is on building a higher-growth, higher-return company for the future, with a willingness to adjust investments based on successful outcomes. The company is conscious of investor expectations and is aiming for revenue-led profitability growth. Additionally, the paragraph mentions a leadership change, with Ray Fischer stepping down, and seeks clarity on the reasons behind this decision.

In the paragraph, Charlie Scharf discusses the transition in management at Wells Fargo, mentioning his long history working with Ray, who has decided to retire. Despite this change, the company's strategy and goals will remain the same. A new leader, Ed Olebe, has been recruited and will join the company in February. Mike Santomassimo adds that the announcement of the new head has been made internally and has already been publicized in a recent article. Betsy Graseck and Matt O'Connor from Deutsche Bank are part of the conversation.

In the conversation between Matt O’Connor and Mike Santomassimo, they discuss the sensitivity of net interest income to rate changes. Mike explains that while their balance sheet has become less sensitive over recent quarters, they remain marginally asset-sensitive. A decrease in rates poses a slight headwind, while higher rates could be a slight positive. They also discuss trading performance, noting that the current quarter's results appear weaker due to the previous year’s strong performance, not because of any changes or abnormalities in their strategy. They emphasize the differences between their business operations and those of their peers.

In the article paragraph, Mike Santomassimo discusses the company's conservative approach to trading, emphasizing their disciplined risk appetite and focus on balance sheet-friendly areas like foreign exchange. Charlie Scharf adds that their business size and complexity are smaller compared to larger competitors. David Long asks about the company's increased interest in the auto sector, to which Santomassimo responds that it isn't a strategic shift but rather a reaction to previous credit tightening and market conditions. The company's focus remains on maintaining a profitable business rather than expanding its size.

The paragraph focuses on a discussion between David Long and Mike Santomassimo regarding their company's financial strategy. It mentions ongoing investments in the auto business and a new deal with Volkswagen and Audi, although this has yet to significantly impact. The company is seeing modest growth in originations and foresees continued progress. Santomassimo discusses their investment securities portfolio repositioning, noting a disciplined approach with a typical 2 to 2.5-year payback period. There's an openness to longer payback periods, depending on market conditions. Vivek Juneja from JPMorgan asks for guidance on net interest income (NII) for 2025, specifically excluding market influences.

In the paragraph, Mike Santomassimo explains that the company does not typically provide details about the sensitivity of their markets business to short rates, noting that trading-related net interest income (NII) is influenced by rate changes. Gerard Cassidy from RBC Capital Markets then asks about non-geopolitical risks the company considers while managing their business. Charlie Scharf responds, highlighting cyber risk as a major concern aside from customary risks like credit, interest rate, and operational risks. He expresses optimism about the economic outlook for 2025 due to current economic strength and a business-friendly incoming administration, while acknowledging potential unforeseen negative market or conflict-related events.

The paragraph involves a discussion about the company's risk management and its dependency on the strength of the U.S. economy for success. Gerard Cassidy praises the company's progress in resolving regulatory issues, such as the OCC lifting a cease-and-desist order. He inquires about future strategic plans, specifically regarding acquisitions, given that the bank's market share in deposits is now below 10%, which could allow for acquisitions. Mike Santomassimo responds by emphasizing their focus on organic growth opportunities across their businesses.

The paragraph discusses the ongoing strategy of the company, initiated by Charlie Scharf five years ago, which will continue even after an asset cap is lifted. The focus remains on executing basic operations across various business areas like cards, wealth management, and capital markets. Saul Martinez from HSBC asks about changes in the incentive framework post-sales scandal and whether cultural and operational constraints remain barriers to growth. Charlie Scharf responds, emphasizing the company's deliberate approach to business expansion and their offerings in areas such as card services, corporate investment banking, and private credit.

The paragraph focuses on the company's commitment to growth through a disciplined and controlled approach. It emphasizes the implementation of a robust risk framework and effective controls, which provide confidence in their future opportunities. The company stresses that growth will be linear and carefully managed, with changes made only where appropriate controls are in place. The mention of "shackles off" indicates that they are not rushing into major changes but rather making thoughtful, gradual adjustments. The closing statement expresses appreciation and concludes with plans to continue communication in the next quarter.

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