The paragraph is an introduction to W. R. Berkley Corporation's Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2024 Earnings Conference Call. It mentions that the call will be recorded and may include forward-looking statements, cautioning listeners about their reliability. The paragraph advises referring to their Form 10-K and other SEC filings for information on factors affecting business results. There is an express disclaimer of obligation to update the statements. Rob Berkley, along with Bill Berkley and Rich Baio, will be discussing the highlights and are open to questions afterwards.

The paragraph begins with Rob expressing concern, on behalf of his colleagues, for those affected by recent fires in California and other disasters in 2024, emphasizing the industry's role in supporting society. Rob then passes the discussion to Rich Baio, who reviews the company's strong financial performance in 2024. The company reported record top-line and bottom-line results, including a return on equity of 23.6%. The fourth quarter saw significant increases in operating earnings and net income, driven by strong underwriting results and growth in the investment portfolio. The current accident year's combined ratio before catastrophe losses was 87.7%, with a favorable prior year development, leading to significant underwriting income for both the quarter and the full year.

The paragraph discusses the insurance company's financial performance, highlighting a slight increase in the current accident year loss ratio and stable expense ratio due to business mix and efficiencies. Catastrophe losses rose due to Hurricane Milton, affecting quarterly loss ratios. Despite this, 2024 was a record year for top-line growth, with significant increases in gross and net premiums across various business segments. Investment portfolios grew by 9.4% with expectations of continued growth due to higher rates and larger portfolio sizes. Record operating cash flows in 2024 allowed for increased investments while maintaining a high credit quality. Additionally, the investment duration increased, and market value gains primarily drove net investment achievements.

In the fourth quarter, the company experienced a $163 million unrealized gain due to investments in the energy and financial services sectors, contributing to a full-year effective tax rate of 22.5%. Stockholders' equity rose by 12.6% to $8.4 billion, driven by a record net income of $1.8 billion, which was partially offset by $836 million returned to shareholders through dividends and share repurchases. Dividends and share repurchases amounted to $220 million and $67 million, respectively. The company's after-tax unrealized investment loss improved to $517 million by year-end 2024, a $69 million enhancement from the previous year. Book value per share grew by 23.5% after excluding repurchases and dividends. Rob Berkley acknowledged the exceptional performance of the company's 7,300 employees, emphasizing the collective effort involved in achieving these results.

The paragraph discusses the impact of social inflation on the liability insurance market, highlighting the role of litigation funding and an aggressive plaintiff bar in inflating claims, particularly in areas like auto liability and medical malpractice. It contrasts this with less inflation in areas like D&O and accountants' liability. The author expresses disappointment at the reinsurance market's slow response to these issues but anticipates a future correction in the casualty reinsurance space. Additionally, the paragraph touches on the property insurance market, noting a slowing tailwind and awaiting potential impacts from the California fires.

The paragraph discusses the challenges faced in the property reinsurance and retro markets at the start of the year, highlighting a 15% decline in risk-adjusted property cat renewal and retro rates. Despite an 8% growth in net written premiums, concerns in the casualty reinsurance market suggest a defensive stance, which when excluded, increases the growth rate to 10%. The rate excluding workers' compensation stood at 7.7%, with a renewal retention ratio above 80%. Expenses have consistently remained below 30% due to investments in technology and business process outsourcing. Post-COVID, the expense ratio has been maintained in the low to mid-20% range.

The paragraph discusses the improvement in the expense ratio over time, noting a 5-point improvement compared to a decade ago, while highlighting that a significant portion of their business, particularly in the wholesale market, faces higher acquisition costs. Despite facing challenges like the cat activity in the quarter and potential effects from California fires, the company expects to maintain a respectable return for shareholders in Q1. They emphasize their limited exposure to the California personal line market. Additionally, the investment strategy is strengthening, with a focus on extending the investment duration when opportunities arise, improving from 2.4 to 2.6.

The paragraph discusses the positive outlook for the company's economic model, highlighting the importance of their investment portfolio and investment income. It notes that recent increases in interest rates have reemphasized the significance of these components, with a current domestic book yield of approximately 4.6% and a new money rate of over 5.25%. The company's cash flow is strong, with growth projected for 2025 and 2026. The underwriting margin is expected to improve or remain stable, and the company is optimistic about maintaining a healthy investment spread above the current book yield, despite potential government borrowing and inflation impacts.

The paragraph features a dialogue from a Q&A session following a presentation where Rob Berkley responds to Alex Scott from Barclays. Berkley emphasizes the company's strategy to focus on achieving good risk-adjusted returns, stating they are willing to adjust their approach based on the market conditions. He suggests that the company is prepared to grow when margins are favorable and to adopt a defensive stance when they are not. He points to data in the press release that demonstrates this approach, noting a significant decrease in casualty reinsurance.

In the paragraph, the speaker discusses their company's approach to market opportunities, emphasizing that they participate where it makes sense, given the current lack of market discipline and appropriate risk-adjusted returns. Despite the challenges, they are optimistic about growth opportunities, particularly in insurance and property reinsurance, and believe their skilled team can effectively identify worthwhile prospects. The company aims to grow where margins are favorable, with parts of the business experiencing high growth rates. In response to Alex Scott's inquiry, the speaker acknowledges competition in the property insurance market, noting price adequacy concerns raised by other companies.

In the conversation, Rob Berkley discusses the current state of the property insurance market, noting that while there is still potential for profitability, increased competition has slightly diminished the opportunities compared to before. The impact of events like the California fires on the market's dynamics is yet to be seen. Elyse Greenspan from Wells Fargo inquires about the reserve breakdown by segment, which is typically provided during calls. Berkley suggests that while he doesn't have the information immediately available, his colleagues Rich or Karen will follow up to provide accurate details. He highlights particular attention to challenges in auto liability and excess policies, while noting that workers' compensation remains strong.

In the paragraph, Elyse Greenspan asks Rob Berkley about their cautious approach to the casualty reinsurance market and their growth prospects for 2025, particularly in achieving a 10% to 15% growth rate. Rob responds that while he cannot predict 2025 with certainty, he believes there is an opportunity for double-digit growth, potentially between 9% and 16%, supported by a rate increase of over 7 points. He also addresses a slight increase in the insurance underlying loss ratio, attributing it to a change in the business mix and advises not to overanalyze it. Following their discussion, the operator shifts the call to Andrew Kligerman from TD Securities for the next question.

In the conversation between Rob Berkley and Andrew Kligerman, they discuss the state of the insurance casualty line and reinsurance pricing. Berkley notes optimism around strong pricing momentum in the liability insurance sector but points out a disconnect in reinsurance casualty pricing, which has seen a decline of nearly 15.5%. He argues that the casualty reinsurance market requires more discipline and higher charges to address this gap. Kligerman also inquires about the company's international operations, which span regions like Asia, Latin America, the UK, and Europe, although the discussion lacks detailed information on these areas.

In the paragraph, Rob Berkley discusses the international markets for their business, highlighting the strong performance and high margins achieved by their teams outside the United States. He acknowledges the competitive nature of some international markets, but expresses confidence in their colleagues' ability to navigate these challenges. Transitioning to a different topic, Mark Hughes asks about the mix between Excess & Surplus (E&S) and admitted markets. Berkley notes that while submission flow into the E&S market remains robust, the growth is more pronounced on the casualty side than the property side, with the E&S business outpacing the growth of their admitted business.

In the paragraph, Mark Hughes and Rob Berkley discuss the optimism surrounding underwriting profitability, emphasizing that they have achieved significant rate increases over time, leading to improved visibility and confidence in their underwriting actions. Berkley mentions their cautious optimism due to encouraging data and their favorable position regarding pricing and business trends. The conversation further transitions to a question from Mike Zaremski, who highlights significant reserve releases in workers' compensation and seeks clarity on why Berkley maintains a bearish outlook on this segment despite the apparent profitability and reserve releases.

In the discussion, Rob Berkley acknowledges that he underestimated the negative trends in workers' compensation frequency and the impact of wage inflation on pricing and margins. While there are growth opportunities in specialized workers' comp, the main street comp remains stagnant due to medical cost concerns. Additionally, when asked about the impact of growing faster in Excess & Surplus (E&S) lines compared to commercial lines on the company's combined ratio, Berkley expresses optimism that all growth areas will positively impact the combined ratio. However, he cautions against premature assumptions while noting that loss ratios are currently favorable, with potential for improvement over time.

The paragraph discusses the experiences and strategies of a business regarding the timing of understanding the cost of goods sold, emphasizing a cautious and measured approach to growth despite achieving high returns. Rob Berkley, in response to Mike Zaremski's question about the E&S marketplace, particularly in casualty, indicates that pricing deceleration is not observed in the E&S casualty space, although it might happen in the property space. He believes that the pricing environment for E&S casualty remains strong and resilient, unlike the property market, which might experience different trends.

The paragraph discusses the current state and strategy of the insurance and reinsurance market, focusing on the differences between property and casualty lines. Property markets have seen rapid but short-lived responses, while casualty lines have slower but more enduring market conditions. Rob Berkley explains that despite challenges, the property market still presents sufficient profit margins, so they plan to continue prioritizing it until it becomes no longer viable. In contrast, they are cautious about casualty lines, which led to a 15% reduction in their reinsurance portfolio to manage capital effectively. The company's approach is to capitalize on profitable opportunities while remaining mindful of market conditions.

The paragraph involves a conversation between Katie Sakys and Rob Berkley discussing the sustainability of growth in certain niches of workers' compensation, which Berkley believes will likely continue through 2025. They briefly touch on the 2025 reinsurance program, noting that risk-adjusted rates on property catastrophe and retro reinsurance have decreased by about 15%. The conversation then shifts to Bob Huang from Morgan Stanley, who inquires about social inflation, particularly the increased activity of the plaintiff bar in the Northeast and West Coast, a concern also echoed by California's Commissioner regarding wildfires in Los Angeles.

The paragraph discusses the shifting risk areas for social inflation in the US, emphasizing that certain states or counties are becoming more challenging due to changes in their legal environments. It notes that while some states, traditionally red or blue, maintain their legal stance, others are transitioning, such as Georgia and Texas, which have become less favorable for businesses due to a more aggressive plaintiff bar. The importance of analyzing risk at a granular level, down to individual counties, is highlighted as critical for adapting to these changes.

The paragraph is a discussion involving Bob Huang, Rob Berkley, and David Motemaden about the insurance industry, specifically focusing on commercial casualty lines and reinsurance strategies. Bob Huang suggests that geography and regional factors might become more significant in commercial casualty lines, akin to personal lines, and Rob Berkley agrees with this general viewpoint, indicating it’s being applied to their business operations. David Motemaden then shifts the conversation to the topic of competitiveness in the casualty reinsurance market, commending Rob Berkley's company for being cautious. He asks if this market environment prompted a reassessment of their reinsurance strategy. Rob Berkley responds by acknowledging the importance of cost management concerning both owned capital and reinsurance, and notes the distinction between reinsurance relationships that are partnerships versus purely transactional ones.

The paragraph features a discussion between David Motemaden and Rob Berkley about the company's strategy and market positioning. The focus is on enduring partnerships, ensuring shareholder interests, and the company's commercial auto and liability growth. Berkley expresses satisfaction with current rates, highlighting an opportunity due to competitors' challenges. There's also a mention of reserve development and the need for follow-up on specific details with another colleague, Karen, particularly concerning recent accident years.

In this paragraph, Rob Berkley discusses the impact of social inflation on various liability lines, particularly focusing on auto liability and medical malpractice. He explains that social inflation, which involves rising insurance claim costs due to factors like larger jury awards, affects different product lines to varying degrees. Berkley emphasizes concern over coverages where there could be physical injury to individuals, as these situations often lead to higher jury awards. He mentions that the company is addressing these issues through rate adjustments and careful selection of coverage terms, taking into account factors like territory and jurisdiction. Meyer Shields asks if the trend of increasing liability costs for such cases is worsening or if it's a long-standing issue. Berkley responds by noting that this trend has been present for some time and is not new, but is becoming more evident.

In this discussion, Meyer Shields and Rob Berkley address concerns about deteriorating court jurisdictions impacting longer or medium-tail insurance reserves, with Berkley noting that these issues have been recognized and addressed internally for years. Shields then inquires about the impact of a shift in the mix on the insurance segment's expense ratio, to which Rich Baio responds that the impact is minimal, with only a slight change observed. There may be differences linked to changes in reinsurance structures year over year. The conversation then turns to Brian Meredith from UBS for further questions.

The paragraph features a conversation between Rob Berkley and Brian Meredith discussing the growth and impact of Berkley One, an insurance operation focused on the E&S market. Rob Berkley asserts that standard commercial carriers entering the E&S market do not impede Berkley One's opportunities. He believes Berkley One has an exceptional team that effectively manages shareholder capital, contributing significantly to the group's profitability and brand strength, especially by 2025. The conversation then briefly shifts to Josh Shanker from Bank of America, who begins to ask about Berkley One's operations, specifically noting its non-participation in the California homeowners insurance market, but the question is interrupted by a technical difficulty.

In this paragraph, the discussion revolves around Berkley One's strategic focus and investment performance. The Berkley One team is concentrating on existing markets for homeowners insurance and is cautious about entering the California market due to its challenges. Regarding investments, Josh Shanker notes that although Berkley has historically been successful with alternative investments, 2024 has not seen the same success despite significant market growth. Rob Berkley comments on the alternative investment portfolio, highlighting unrealized gains in public securities and suggesting caution against drawing premature conclusions about the portfolio's overall performance.

The paragraph is a discussion involving Rob Berkley and Bill Berkley about the performance of their investment portfolio. They acknowledge that while their public company portfolio did well, a specific private equity fund underperformed, impacting overall results. The private equity sector's advantage is seen as diminished compared to more liquid markets, prompting a shift in focus. They express confidence that the issue is resolved and unlikely to recur. After addressing Josh Shanker's inquiries, another analyst, Andrew, steps in to ask about growth in insurance and short tail lines.

The discussion involves a Q&A session with Rob Berkley, Rich Baio, and an unidentified analyst, focusing on the drivers of business performance, specifically in property, inland marine, and accident & health (A&H) sectors. They highlight that all three areas are contributing, with a particular emphasis on mainland property. The conversation also touches on a 50-basis-point impact on current year selections, noting that the business mix and contributions from short tail lines compared to casualty lines with higher loss ratios are factors. Auto and other liabilities, with typically higher loss ratios, represent a large portion of the business. In closing, Rob Berkley reflects on a successful year and emphasizes the company's strong positioning for 2025 and beyond, expressing confidence in the business's continued strong performance.

The operator concluded the conference, thanked participants, and informed them they could now disconnect.

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